Louis Theroux: My Scientology Movie trailer

[Dr. Zoidberg]

[Dr. Zoidberg]

[Big Boss Man]

Looks interesting, always like watching the Louis docs. One of the funnier ones is when he trains at the WCW Powerplant.



and when he tries to rap and get signed by Master P

[Roofus]

Weird Weekends was a great series. My favorites were the survivalists and the UFO people. The way he interviewed Kortan from the planet Koldas with a completely straight face was hilarious.


Is this coming out in the US at all?

[Big Boss Man]

I think I've seen all of Louis docs. His newer ones deal with more sensitive subjects, like there's one when he spends time with alcoholics and there's a young guy in his 20s early 30s and his hands keep shaking like tremors but that was all brought on by drinking. There's also other older folks who drink too and it's a very hard hitting documentary although it doesn't really try to be. Louis posted a pic of the guy in his Twitter and he's on the wagon now which is great because he was really messed up because of drinking. Not meaning to be preachy because that's not my style but it made you feel sorry for the subjects of the documentary and how their lives went into a downward spiral. He's also done prison docs, a documentary about mental health problems, brain injuries, autism and dementia among others. I prefer watching the weird weekend ones like the UFO one and the others with funnier subject matter.

[Bandit]

Don't forget about the porn docs and Rob Black laughing at Louis's big Bush in his nude license picture. Made funnier by Rob eating Wendy's as he passed the photo to staffers for some reason. Trim your pubes Lou.

and when he tries to rap and get signed by Master P

No Limit was such shit outside of Snoop, Mia X and Young Bleed (Mystikal was technically on Jive) that I'm shocked he wasn't signed.

[Big Boss Man]

Yea the porn ones are the funnier ones although some of the folks you feel a little sorry for when Louis revisits them and some are still in the biz. No Limit sold tons back in the day but I agree it didn't have the best roster of artists. Without googling can't remember the story of Snoop leaving Death Row for No Limit, surprised he didn't go to Def Jam or Aftermath. I think No Limit had Silkk the Shocker and C Murder who's in jail for murder, both are Master Ps Brothers. Not forgetting Master P stood in for his son Lil Romeo on DWTS. I think he was in the same season as Jerry Rice and Stacy Keibler.

[Roofus]

I think I've seen all of Louis docs. His newer ones deal with more sensitive subjects, like there's one when he spends time with alcoholics and there's a young guy in his 20s early 30s and his hands keep shaking like tremors but that was all brought on by drinking. There's also other older folks who drink too and it's a very hard hitting documentary although it doesn't really try to be. Louis posted a pic of the guy in his Twitter and he's on the wagon now which is great because he was really messed up because of drinking. Not meaning to be preachy because that's not my style but it made you feel sorry for the subjects of the documentary and how their lives went into a downward spiral. He's also done prison docs, a documentary about mental health problems, brain injuries, autism and dementia among others. I prefer watching the weird weekend ones like the UFO one and the others with funnier subject matter.

I couldn't bring myself to watch the dementia one. I read an interview he did after the alcoholism one where he said he's a pretty heavy drinker (1 to 2 bottles of wine per day) though it's not a problem for him (he did the tests himself during filming and he's ok) but he did quit drinking for a while after it was over.

The first Louis doc I ever saw was the first Fred Phelps one. Usually he stays neutral but you could tell he could barely hide his disgust with them. In the second Phelps one, he didn't even try.

Don't forget about the porn docs and Rob Black laughing at Louis's big Bush in his nude license picture. Made funnier by Rob eating Wendy's as he passed the photo to staffers for some reason. Trim your pubes Lou.

I don't think I've seen the porn ones. Maybe the first one. It's been a while. I've got them all saved somewhere. Maybe I'll finally check it out.

[Bandit]

Yea the porn ones are the funnier ones although some of the folks you feel a little sorry for when Louis revisits them and some are still in the biz. No Limit sold tons back in the day but I agree it didn't have the best roster of artists. Without googling can't remember the story of Snoop leaving Death Row for No Limit, surprised he didn't go to Def Jam or Aftermath. I think No Limit had Silkk the Shocker and C Murder who's in jail for murder, both are Master Ps Brothers. Not forgetting Master P stood in for his son Lil Romeo on DWTS. I think he was in the same season as Jerry Rice and Stacy Keibler.

The story with Snoop was Master P had connections to some feared gangstas to keep him safe from Suge and his Piru Bloods set. P sucks but he's no joke. The only man he ever backed down from was James Prince of Rap-A-Lot, who is as gangsta as it gets. They had a dispute over UGK dissing the Miller brothers and No Limit's muscle kidnapped and beat them down. Prince put fear into P with one calm phone call telling him he really didn't want to do this for his own good. Some ex No Limit employee said the call went "I don't care if you beat their asses. But kill them and I will kill your entire family, the kids too." Nobody fucks with J Prince.

[Big Boss Man]

I couldn't bring myself to watch the dementia one. I read an interview he did after the alcoholism one where he said he's a pretty heavy drinker (1 to 2 bottles of wine per day) though it's not a problem for him (he did the tests himself during filming and he's ok) but he did quit drinking for a while after it was over.

The first Louis doc I ever saw was the first Fred Phelps one. Usually he stays neutral but you could tell he could barely hide his disgust with them. In the second Phelps one, he didn't even try.

Didn't know Louis was a heavy drinker, maybe thats why he did the documentary. Going back to the Dementia one, yea that is a very difficult watch. The autism one is too I think. There's also a 2 part doc where he visits prisoners who have committed crime(s) yet aren't fit to stand trial because of their mental health issues. I think these more hard-hitting documentaries are a world away from the Weird Weekend ones where like I've said the subject matter is more light-hearted and it's Louis getting involved like when he raps, wrestles etc. The Fred Phelps ones I remember watching too, just remembered there are two featuring Phelps. When he's faced with a subject or subject(s) he finds abhorrent I think it's reflected on Louis's face. The Louis meets... when he's with different celebrities is interesting too. One of the better ones is when he's with Chris Eubank. There's the smoking gun of the Saville documentary too and there's one where Louis was going to do a documentary with MJ, but Martin Bashir got there first. I wonder whether he would have tread a similar line that Bashir did with Michael, but it's one thing we'll never know now.

The story with Snoop was Master P had connections to some feared gangstas to keep him safe from Suge and his Piru Bloods set. P sucks but he's no joke. The only man he ever backed down from was James Prince of Rap-A-Lot, who is as gangsta as it gets. They had a dispute over UGK dissing the Miller brothers and No Limit's muscle kidnapped and beat them down. Prince put fear into P with one calm phone call telling him he really didn't want to do this for his own good. Nobody fucks with J Prince.

Thats interesting, thanks. I know Suge was tight with the Piru's and it's interesting Snoop was on Death Row anyway due to his Crip affiliations. IIRC the DPG are crips also. Had a feeling that P had strong gang ties since he used to sell drugs on the street to fund his music. I've heard of Rap A Lot before because of the Geto Boys et al but didn't know Master P and him had beef. J-Prince seems to handle his business with phone calls: http://noisey.vice.com/blog/a-brief-his ... rtesy-call So in actuality when most of the Hip Hop game are wary of Suge, they should take note of J-Prince.

[Bandit]

They are wary of him. Nobody speaks his name except Scarface because he's legit crazy and Z-Ro (who still let him keep that money he owed him.) He's like the real Keyzer Soze.

[Big Boss Man]

I've read that J-Prince has been compared to the Gus character in Breaking Bad. Apparently Melvin Vernell Jr. & Marcus Roach of Trill Entertainment aren't to be messed with either.

Judge to decide bail for rap executives

Published: May 16, 2009 - Page: 1B - Two local rap music executives accused of trying to kill rapper Bruce “Beelow’’ Moore in 2005 will stay behind bars until Monday when a judge will decide if they are entitled to a bond.

Melvin Vernell Jr., of Baton Rouge, and Marcus Roach, of Prairieville, managers of Baton Rouge-based Trill Entertainment, have been held without bond since their arrest May 8 — their second arrest in the case.

…Prosecutor Charles Grey alleged in court Friday that Vernell and Roach are a “threat to the community’’ and defended FBI agent Antony Jung for not identifying cooperating witnesses by name during his second day of testimony…

Jung did testify that the FBI has received information that Baton Rouge rapper Torrence “Lil Boosie’’ Hatch — who records under the Trill label — may have played a role in the February shooting death of fellow Baton Rouge rapper Chris “Nussie’’ Jackson.

Jung said the information the bureau received is that Hatch had put a $30,000 bounty on Jackson’s head…

[Bandit]

, but Martin Bashir got there first. I wonder whether he would have tread a similar line that Bashir did with Michael, but it's one thing we'll never know now.

He wouldn't sugar coat the Gavin thing, but he would be upfront with Michael about what he was going to do. But that means MJ wouldn't allow it to be released more than likely. But Louis is a good guy and Bashir is just a cunt, that's the difference.

[Big Boss Man]

Yea I think if anything Louis would have portrayed MJ in a more sympathetic light, where he'd not intentionally try and set things up and make them look bad like Bashir did. In the outtakes you hear Martin Bashir say what a great father MJ is and stuff yet he does a 180 on camera and focuses on the darker aspects of his life. I mean I think Louis would have asked about the relationship with Gavin, about Joe Jackson etc and follow that line but I think Bashir was a wolf in sheep's clothing about how he went about business. I also have a feeling it would have been a documentary where it would have been weird weekendsesque in the sense the media especially in the UK portrayed Mike as Wacko Jacko. Yet in actuality MJ and Frank Dileo planted stories in the Enquirer about the Chamber, buying the skeleton of Joseph (John) Merrick etc and then they spinner with the Liz Taylor shrine etc. So I think Louis would get a fuller picture of MJ and it would have been more akin to the Oprah interview with Louis learning to moonwalk, going around Neverland, learning to dance etc a more fun documentary. IIRC he did talk to Joe Jackson, maybe Katherine Jackson et AL and he talks to Uri Geller. Haven't seen it since it originally aired in like 2002/03 time. But yea, the Bashir one was a huge PR mistake, and Bashir hasn't ever done any doc since. I think what put him ahead of LT was that Martin Bashir did the interview with Princess Diana and MJ was enamoured by her. So he must have used that as a way to think he'd be portrayed in a positive light yet it sadly did you he opposite. Like him personally or not, but MJ was and is a phenomenally talent artist, dancer, singer and performer. I mean his only real peer was Prince and it's unbelievable to think both are no longer with us. I honestly think the Bashir doc was one of the most damaging things to MJs reputation and it almost ruined him not just financially but it broke him emotionally too. He looked terrible when he turned up to court for the trial and I think it made him resort to propofol to sleep at that time due to stress etc. I mean the stories/rumors still are circulating now but if they were true Tom Sneedon would have had him put away for possession of pornographic materials. Anything that could have stuck charge wise he'd have gone for. Yet he was innocent on all counts. I have read and heard alot about Mike and I believe him to be highly eccentric but I don't think he'd harm a fly. I could be naive believing that but if anything I think he exhibited more of a sensitive side which got misconstrued into something dark by others. I mean I can understand why folks might think that way but when you hear all the facts it changes your point of view. But yea I think unless he was planning a hatchet job Louis would have made a great doc about Michael Jackson.

[Bandit]

The detective involved with the case said the porn story was false.

[Big Boss Man]

Yea I think in the original search they found nothing really incriminating either. I mean I think with MJ you have to factor in the alleged psychological and physical abuse of his father and on the other hand he had the love of his mother. So that must have made it very difficult for him to have meaningful relationships and messed him terribly. I personally think he had younger and older friends like Liz Taylor, Diana Ross etc because he was trying to reclaim the childhood he lost. I also have heard he was in love with Diana Ross and when she married one time they had a falling out because it deeply hurt his feelings. But maybe he loved her because she was like a mother figure to him. I also think if you get beyond the rumors and such I think Mike is really somebody who is very misunderstood. Superbly talented, almost otherwordly because he could sing and dance as a kid better than some of his peeIs and once he did Off the Wall I think it put him in another stratosphere. OTW really was the starting point and now it's finally got its due with the Spike Lee doc but I still don't think it gets the praise it deserves. Then you had Thriller which was a musical juggernaut just a massive success. I think if MJ followed that up and Bad was Thriller 2.0 hed have had no real competition outside of Prince. And in a WCW vs WWF type scenario I think P would have stepped his game up further and released even better music too as they'd be competing with one another. I think MJ still had another Thriller in him and could and should have worked super hard to bring it to fruition. But he kinda coasted in autopilot in the end with Invincible. It's got some great songs on it, especially one like Butterflies where MJ does like Neo Soul/R&B with Floetry being involved and You are My Life written with Babyface IIRC. But time had moved on and if MJ did a more Hip Hop features record I don't know how that would have come off. I mean somebody like LL and MJ would have worked as they did Serious Effect together. But say he hooked up with the hot rappers of the time it wouldn't stand up to well today. One collaboration outside of a Prince and MJ one id like to have heard is Kanye and MJ I think they'd have created some super interesting music. I think Mike missed a step shelving the Neptunes produced tracks which Timberlake ended up with like Senorita, Like I Love You et AL. I think on Invincible he worked with Rodney Jerkins, Wyclef, Neptune's, Teddy Riley among others. Really he should have worked again with Quincy and did like a Soul/Jazzy R&B album without gimmicks and do like a Off the Wall 2.0 and get back to basics.

[Big Boss Man]

Louis documentary on Savile will air at the weekend on BBC2.

[Bandit]

Hmm, interesting BBC is showing that since weren't they blamed for what he did, too? Like if say Johnny Carson did what Saville did I doubt NBC would show a doc about it. So the BBC has balls.

[Big Boss Man]

They haven't really admitted their involvement in it, just that some of the incidents occurred at their shows (Top of the Pops etc) and on their premises. There is also a strong link with others who were brought to justice - Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris et al who were at the BBC. Allegedly the BBC had a 'ring' within its midst and they knew of the activity of Saville and co. If that is 100% true those involved need to be be brought to justice for harboring. So maybe BBC have green lighted this out of guilt.

[Bandit]

Oh I thought it was like Jerry Sandusky where they knew but ignored it.