WWE Thread (Spoilers)

[Bandit]

the Raw tag ladder match was very good

Especially if you know the Hardys just did a crazy ladder match the night before. Meltzer said Jeff was spotted at the hotel looking like he could barely walk a few hours before Mania.

[Bandit]

Jim Ross signed a 2 year deal before Mania. I guess he'll replace Mauro on Smackdown since if he was just doing Network stuff he'd just be paid per contribution. It would be unfortunate if Mauro wasn't brought back, but the situation with Bas getting involved and challenging JBL to fight him is making it ugly. And of course the logical thing would be to fire JBL but he's one of Vince's favorites. Although they really should just move JBL to Raw.

[Ocelot]

There were MANLY TEARS shed at the house of Ocelot at the end of WM.

Shame that most of the rest of the show absolutely ranked. RAMP SNEK!!!! RING FULL OF BUGS AND WORMS.

[Bandit]

Raw is pretty good. But Nia Jax matches are always my cue to go put the dog out and get a snack.

But speaking of Rock's relatives I'm glad they finally turned Roman. I was dreading a "Please like me!" promo.

[Bandit]

Why in the fuck would Finn agree to save the guy who put him out of action for nearly a year? If some guy hurt you would you agree to help him move in a couch? Much less get beaten up by two fat dudes for him?

[Dr. Zoidberg]

That was a sweary crowd.

Why in the fuck would Finn agree to save the guy who put him out of action for nearly a year? If some guy hurt you would you agree to help him move in a couch? Much less get beaten up by two fat dudes for him?

WWE aren't good with continuity.

The same thing could be said about Dana teaming with Bayley & Sasha.





Mr. WrestleVainia




She was Aloy crossed with Adam Ant.

[Hawq]

Well that was a long Mania, even fast forwarding past pre-show build up info & the like it still took close to 6 hours, guess thats what a brand split will do when you're left with 2 of each title though. I did like the close to a full hour of action the pre-show had, the Andra BR was fun as usual.
other bits I recall:
AJ v Shane - A normal match? WTF? at least some toys came out when the ref was down, not the worst start but coulda been more fun with a 'no dq' or something

Raw Tag title - Well that happened, the Hardys came back & got sanitished (& I dont mean EY's faction over on NXT, the Broken Hardys would fit in well with them) nice to see them on a mainstream show again but they are gonna be wasted back in the WWE as they wont be allowed to do what they've been doing elsewhere

Orton v Wyatt - Technically fine, didnt really jump out at me but did the job

Lesner v Goldburg - Well I guess Goldbergs put enough extra in the bank for now, or they want to have things simmering between them for a bit, at least it was longer than their one a few shows back

Raines v Taker - Another victim of the WWE's 'blood if evil' policy as I'm sure I heard the commentaters say that anything goes pretty much in it, cant fault the lenth of it really I guess & it was fun just a bit tame

The rest falls under the competant catagory mostly, apart from whenever the retarded new day gimmick was in use, the sooner they retire that shit the better. Gonna be glad to get back to shows that are a normal length now, till next year at least

[Bandit]

Why did Orton get booed? He's been a good worker for nearly 15 years and isn't shoved down your throat like Reigns.

[Dr. Zoidberg]

Angry Bray fans or because he's stale.

[Hawq]

"Ginder go long"

"Uh oh"

[Dr. Zoidberg]

-- The following is from WWE.com:

“WWE has come to terms on a mutually agreed upon release with Simon Gotch as of today, April 5, 2017. WWE wishes Gotch the best of all of his future endeavors.”

Simon Gotch, real name John Smith, signed with WWE in 2013 and was assigned to WWE NXT. He would form a tag team with Aiden English and go on to become NXT Tag Team Champions as a member of The Vaudevillains. Gotch would be an NXT Tag Team Champion one time before he and English main their roster debuts, debuting on WWE Smackdown last April. After their debut, they competed in two WWE Tag Team Championship matches. They lost to The New Day at WWE Extreme Rules and then again in a Fatal Four Way match at WWE Money in the Bank.

Back in July of last year, Gotch garnered some backstage heat in WWE when a fight broke out at a Smackdown live taping between The Vaudevillain and Sin Cara. The fight was said to have been one-sided, in favor of Cara.

In his last televised match, Gotch competed in the Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal on the WrestleMania 33 Kickoff Show. Gotch’s actual last match in WWE came last night, when he and Aiden English lost the Smackdown taping dark match to American Alpha.

[Big Boss Man]

Finally finished watching Mania, my internets been wack. I actually enjoyed it a lot. Way long though. Well deserved standing ovation for Taker. He could have cemented Braun as "the guy" if he went over. Haven't saw Raw yet but I've read they are turning Roman heel so at least he can feed off the heat. Seems more XPac heat at the moment but the fickleness of the fans will mean soon as he starts doing cool heel stuff he'll be cheered. Hardys being back is great and Matt was doing the delete stuff so I guess he's still a little "Broken". A crazy Hardys vs Wyatts at the Hardy compound would be super fun if they get switched to SmackDown. I think there's a ton of positives coming out of this years Mania apart from Taker retiring. I think him vs Sting as his final match would have been fitting but the Stinger retired before they could put that together. Or like I said had Strowman go over he'd have been a legit contender then. I still think they need to really elevate new stars and the match order was a little weird. I'd have had Shane/AJ near the end as that match amped the crowd up too quickly. Should have been a more gradual build. Also 4 hours max for the main show next year, I think it ran for a total of 5 hour 10 mins (main card). Preshow an hour tops as you're draining the energy out of the crowd. Good to see JR back he gave the Taker/Reigns match a big fight feel. Overall thumbs up for WrestleMania.

[Bandit]

Meltzer seems to imply JBL's treatment of Mauro has Vince's approval. Like Vince hated how Mauro acted on Twitter (ie retweeting his praise and acknowledging Wrestling Observer) and wanted JBL to give him a hard time for acting like a mark.

But who acts more like a mark than JBL? He's convinced he's a bad ass because of his wrestling gimmick, but yet he got knocked out in Brawl For All (which he inspired Russo to make because he wouldn't shut up about how he'd be champion if this was a shoot) and 5'7" Joey Styles dropped him with one punch, and nobody would exactly pick Joey to beat Conor McGregor. Yet he thinks because the APA stiffed people he could have been UFC champion (Mark Coleman would have killed him in 1998.) That's a mark. Not a guy who thanks people for complimenting them.

And plus you have the Justin Roberts book talking about how JBL made his life miserable. But did Howard Finkle write a book saying Haku picked on him? Or did Boyd Pierce write a book saying Harley Race washed his ass when he was showering to mess with him (and how gay is JBL for doing that to those people?) No, those guys fought with people their own size and the occasional police force.

[Big Boss Man]

Yea but you have to remember Vince is a bully himself. He bullied JR badly and he has a warped sense of humour. JBL seems cool and respectful on the Legends show. But in reality he acts like a real piece of shit. I read/heard how he treated Justin Roberts and him being pushed into bullying Mauro by Vince doesn't surprise me. Would be cool if Bas turns up and KOs Layfield. Even better Mauro himself just smack the hell out of JBL. I mean when he stiffed the Meanie he came across as a wanker then. Him being a legit tough guy is laughable. A guy like Haku like you said didn't bully anyone. Back in the shooter days they'd have broke JBLs legs because he's all talk. Him being buddies with Taker and Ron "protects" him. But I don't think Taker is the bullying type so surprised if he condones JBLs behaviour. Him bullying Mauro, Justin Roberts, Meanie, Mia et al just shows he's inadequate as a man. A real tough guy doesn't bully or need to bully. In fact they despise bullies. After Joey knocked him out he should have changed his ways. Him soaping up rookies and stuff is very weird. Maybe JBL is a gay and he's trying to exert masculine behaviour by bullying?

[Bandit]

But I don't think Taker is the bullying type so surprised if he condones JBLs behaviour.

Nova talked about that in detail. He said Undertaker never bullied anybody, but laughed when JBL, Bob Holly and Benoit would get drunk and fuck with Justin Roberts and John Morrison. And that since Undertaker was the locker room leader that made guys not say anything or fight back.

But the only stories of Taker standing up for anybody was when Shawn Michaels was out of control in 1996-98 and Dave Lagana sexually harassing people. He is very old school so just sees JBL as doing what wrestlers do.

As for Vince, the problem is he's running a corporation now. Nobody cared when Public Enemy got brutalized on national television for being disrespectful backstage and Michael Cole is saying "we won't see them again", or HHH taunting Sunny for breaking up with HBK at the Slammys. But after going public you can't have this going on.

[Big Boss Man]

That's interesting. I read/heard about Taker doing these Wrestlers Courts but I imagine he has a old school mentality where it's expected for rookies to be messed with. I would have thought as a locker room leader he'd have squashed any beef and not let JBL, Holly et al bully people and admonish them for it. Seems it's an inmates running the asylum type environment.

[Bandit]

Wrestlers Court isn't a big deal. It's just a warning plus buying the person you offended beer.

The only one that I heard was an issue was Taker making Melina cry by saying they should have her fired because he hated her. Most of it was goofball shit like Teddy Long getting in trouble for selling viagra and HHH calling Mae Young to testify about viagra.

[Bandit]

And he has deleted WWE announcer from his bio, so I guess he's done.

[Ocelot]

Heh. Supposedly Wrestler's Court was invented by Dutch Mantell and his first 'trial' was on Undertaker, back in the late eighties while going to some shit show in the south.

[Bandit]

That's all true. Dutch said after Brody was murdered he was fed up with wrestling bullshit so said he would offer judgments in USWA so people would stop arguing about stealing rats and being cheap. He didn't say what Taker did wrong though.

Taker started doing it in 1993 after Marty Jannetty was out of control every day (obviously it didn't work.)