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Re: Wrestling questions thread

Post by Bandit » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:19 am

Yeah, looking at it now it's fucking ridiculous and would never happen today. Brock would lay down for Finn Balor Sunday if Vince asks him with no argument. But Montreal was the last gasp of the kayfabe era.

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Post by Big Boss Man » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:18 am

Yea definitely. Another interesting factor, in hindsight it created the Mr McMahon gimmick which turned the tide of the Monday Night Wars in the WWFs favour when Vince feuded with Stone Cold. Without Montreal, I doubt we'd have seen the "evil" Vince character.

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Post by Bandit » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:32 am

That's an interesting question. They did do the angle in September when Austin argued with Vince about his medical clearance and gave him the stunner. So that was probably laying the foundation. And he did do Mr. McMahon in 1993 for USWA. But Russo (for whatever his word is worth) said Vince never considered being a heel character until the fan backlash against him convinced him to make money off of it. He only wanted to be the announcer they didn't often acknowledge owned the company.

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Re: Wrestling questions thread

Post by Big Boss Man » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:30 am

Yea I forgot about when Vince did that in the USWA. "McMemphis" as its referred to. Most wrestling purists I assume back in the day disliked Vince for going national taking the best talent out of the territories and for the more cartoony type product, so you could say he was Mr McMahon back in the early/mid 80s. Also he came up with the Million Dollar Man gimmick for himself but gave it to Ted instead.

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Post by Big Boss Man » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:21 am

Been watching BTE and there's a bit where they are talking with Marty about going up to heavyweight in New Japan.

I'm assuming you go up in weight classes there as you get more established and that was originally in place for trainees from the NJPW dojo to aspire to as they'd be junior heavyweights when they started out. Although you have guys like Jushin Liger et al who competed in Best of Super Junior tournaments/Super J cup when they already established.

So maybe it's just down to weight classes thoughand if you 225lbs + you're classed as a heavyweight.

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Re: Wrestling questions thread

Post by Big Boss Man » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:34 pm

What talent(s) do you think would really give AEW an edge over WWE to become the #1 promotion and is there any booker, behind the scenes personnel etc who'd put them on the level too where they could compete with WWE like WCW did back in the day?.

Seeing Bisch in the other topic, got me thinking, could he still do what he did with WCW back in the day in signing Hulk, Macho et al today or is the industry as such that couldn't be done nowadays.

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Post by Bandit » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:02 pm

Nobody they'd ever realistically get. Brock, Cena, Daniel Bryan, AJ. But it won't happen because now WWE is in the WCW role of having unlimited money.

And they could never have a "Luger on Nitro" or Scott Hall debut shocker because the fans know everything now. So you'd just expect Ambrose to debut on TND, whereas even Vince himself was shocked to see Lex on Nitro.

The shock was a huge reason why Nitro beat Raw. By the time everyone had the internet stuff like Mike Awesome or Bam Bam debuting on Nitro or Benoit and Eddie on Raw everyone knew they'd be there so it wasn't big.

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Re: Wrestling questions thread

Post by Big Boss Man » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:44 am

Thanks, yea good point about how the internet, it essentially spoils any surprises nowadays. The Hardyz turning up a few Manias back was somewhat a legit surprise but no way the same level Lex and Razor were.

I think from the list of names, signing John Cena would be the Hogan equivalent. To get the guy who's synomous with the post Attitude era WWE would be huge. Plus you have a potential all star dream match with Cena vs Omega. Brock and AJ are all the same age as John Cena at 41, Daniel is 37 but he unfortunately has the concussion issues and although short term he'd give you a huge boost, you can't really plan long term.

Plus if you say put him up against any talent who works stiff that puts him at a further risk. As I imagine AEW will essentially be a US version of the New Japan product, which makes sense, since I think judging by the Q&A interview he did, Harold Meij is keeping an eye out for their product and how they present wrestling.

But if Daniel Bryan didn't have the concussion issues, him against Omega would be really something. Outside of the WWE realm, the top 3 I'd go for are: Ibushi, Naito and Okada. Jay White I think will only improve too so he's another I'd sign. He just needs something a bit extra to solidify himself as a heel.

Walking in Kennys footsteps would be tough for any wrestler so I think some of the criticisms I've read are kinda unfair. I think give him say 5 years max and he could easily position himself as the Ace for NJPW.

Outside of the pro wrestling realm, maybe if AEW brought in say Gronk, but he's likely headed to WWE, but I think if you got him to a half decent level in ring you could bring in some of the mainstream audience. Speaking of which they have Stephen Amell who they could get some mainstream press with. Idk if he's booked for DON like he was for All In, but you need someone with a certain level of mainstream interest to attract attention to your product, because there's so many more other options now with the internet, video games, YouTube, Netflix etc

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