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Post by Matisfaction » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:05 pm

The regular fan isn't going to care to know the history of a Japanese comedy promotion where the 12 people in the crowd are "in on the joke". They're just going to see Omega with a blow up doll and be like "Oh, there's that guy from NJPW wrestling a blow up doll, wasn't he the world champion?". The video clip is more well known than the promotion at this point, so it's pretty irrelevant.

I really don't think it's that hard to see where Cornette is coming from here. You don't even have to agree with him to see that he has a point.

This is the exact same problem that Jim had with ROH, when he was trying to sell the product to a wider audience. He tried to get Steen to at least get in some kind of shape and Generico to drop the stupid Shindie gimmick, and of course what happens when they get called up to WWE? (a promotion with a much wider audience) you get Sami Zane and Steen gets in "better" shape.

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Post by Big Boss Man » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:30 pm

It's a moot point though because it was earlier in Kennys career. He broke away from the comedy stuff to establish himself to be the biggest free agent in wrestling. WWE put a 3 million dollar contract in front of him, he's responsible for a ton of fans being reinvested in the Puroresu scene when soon as Misawa sadly passed and Kobashi retired the interest level was minimal.

If Kenny Omega was perceived as a comedy wrestler it's highly unlikely WWE would throw a multi million dollar offer at him. Its not like he was Ebessan or Santino type of comedy gimmick either. I think Corny relies too heavily on the Old man yells at cloud schtick. That's not a knock on Jim, I find him entertaining and he's a historian of the business.

But he doesn't "get" modern wrestling which is why he's ranting about it. Again it's not a knock at Jim, but if he's talking about Okada doing too much and saying Kenny wrestled a young girl and blow up doll it's him commenting on clips fans are sending him.

It's like say someone sending tapes of an musicians demos from their early career which are unpolished, bad quality and comparing them to a major label properly mastered album. Kenny might have competed in comedy matches but he went beyond that to selling out the Tokyo Dome.

If Corny saw his 7 star match with Okada and looked at from a modern day perspective then I think he'd change his tune. If he's not giving modern wrestling a chance then he will be stuck in his ways. For me, the old Memphis, World Class, JCP, UWF/Mid South is great but I also think New Japan is great, WWE has its good moments, Impact is at least trying. It's like when people hate a certain type of music without giving it a try. Again I like Corny and he has a right to like what he does and doesn't. I do believe he needs to be more open minded and realise there's wrestling today which is just as good as before. In ring action has improved tremendously and not just high spots & false finishes, the psychology aspect has improved too. A lot of the golden age is wristlocks & headlocks. Nothing wrong with that, some of the World of Sport matches stand up today. But it's like say if a wrestler who did a podcast and was wrestling in the 40s/50s their point of view would be that wrestling from that era is the best. Whilst in 2019 it would be for most aspects of antiquated.

Corny does talk a lot of sense but I think he needs to be more versed on today's wrestling and give a more impartial viewpoint on it.

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Re: The Wrestling Podcast Thread

Post by Bandit » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:32 pm

Matisfaction wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:05 pm
The regular fan isn't going to care to know the history of a Japanese comedy promotion where the 12 people in the crowd are "in on the joke". They're just going to see Omega with a blow up doll and be like "Oh, there's that guy from NJPW wrestling a blow up doll, wasn't he the world champion?". The video clip is more well known than the promotion at this point, so it's pretty irrelevant.

I really don't think it's that hard to see where Cornette is coming from here. You don't even have to agree with him to see that he has a point.
He doesn't have a point. Has that clip hurt wrestling at all? Have people said "I was a wrestling fan but if they do this I'm done with it"? No. It hasn't even hurt Kenny Omega who is the most respected wrestler in the business right now. But you know what has driven fans away? Bad WWE millions of people see. And Cornette almost never talks about when WWE does something dumb because "I don't watch it." When was the last time he went on a WWE rant? The kid Nicholas winning the tag belts with Strowman? Everything else I've heard has him say "I don't watch their TV."

It's cool if Jim thinks the 80s were superior. But if you put on a show like Memphis now it wouldn't draw because the world has changed. Nobody is ever going to think wrestling is real anymore because in the 80s you didn't have UFC on every day in some form on cable where you can easily see the difference with what a real fight looks like. So people want a spectacle if they know it's fake. I mean, Brock doesn't even draw ratings anymore, and Rousey does better but is hardly setting the world on fire. So if they aren't going to believe in them they aren't going to believe in anybody.

This is the exact same problem that Jim had with ROH, when he was trying to sell the product to a wider audience. He tried to get Steen to at least get in some kind of shape and Generico to drop the stupid Shindie gimmick, and of course what happens when they get called up to WWE? (a promotion with a much wider audience) you get Sami Zane and Steen gets in "better" shape.
The two are unrelated. Steen did need to lose weight because his knees were bad because of it. And Steen being given time off to lose weight but then coming back even fatter was shitty on his part. I had no problem with what Cornette said about Steen. But Cornette didn't wish death on him like he did Omega over the DDT stuff.

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