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Re: Wrestling questions thread

Postby Big Boss Man » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:02 am

Thanks. Didn't Vince sign Bret to a 20 year deal?. Maybe say a three year and an option for each year would have been a better option. There's a good Table for 3 with JBL, Bruce Pritchard and Eric Bischoff where they talk about where Eric really wanted to run Vince out of business etc. which made me think what if EB did win the war. Say they did and their business still tanked in 2001 what happens to pro wrestling then since WWF would be gone, ECW gone and then no WCW. Do the territories spring back up and wrestling become regional again?. Somehow I see Vince coming back hiring up the best talent for WWF 2.0

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Re: Wrestling questions thread

Postby Bandit » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:32 am

He was signed to a 20 year deal. But September 1996 and November 1997 were different. For one Bret was prone to injury when he came back, as he spent quite a bit of time in the Hart Foundation angle not wrestling on crutches. Vince made the comment on the Canadian show Off The Record something like "the Bret that left after Wrestlemania 12 wasn't the same Bret that came back 9 months later."

Also it was clear by May 1997 Steve Austin was the guy to carry the company so Bret was going to be pushed down the card which he'd be unhappy about. And Austin was not on a guaranteed deal like Bret was, he made what he earned for the company, so he was much more financially sound for the WWF. So Vince was going to be paying $1 million a year to a guy who wasn't even going to headline for him anymore and he didn't like it.

If WWF, WCW and ECW all closed then wrestling would probably go back to the cheaper regional way things were done before 1984. Vince may be back running just the east coast like his father, Eric was wanting WCW to be centered in the west coast by moving to Nevada from Georgia, and maybe Paul Heyman would have taken Terry Funk's advice and moved ECW to Texas and he'd run the south. Who knows. Or maybe Hogan could convince some network to take another chance on wrestling. Or maybe TNA would have formed and been #1.

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Re: Wrestling questions thread

Postby Big Boss Man » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:43 am

I thought it was 20 years, thanks. Something like in the latter part of the deal he would go into management etc when he retired. I guess in a role like Gorilla had?. So he would had it played out right if it was signed in 97 be under contract til 2017. A $20m guaranteed deal even by those standards for not your top star granted but still a big star seems not a bad deal. However say when Hitman retired they should have adjusted the deal accordingly. But knowing what was to come woth the Attitude Era I wonder whether Bret would have vetoed some things so they didn't damage his image.

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Re: Wrestling questions thread

Postby Bandit » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:09 am

I think the back end of the deal was that Bret was going to run the Canadian office like Jack Tunney did, and the Hart Dungeon would be a training facility he'd oversee like the Funkin' Dojo was with Dory Jr.

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Re: Wrestling questions thread

Postby Big Boss Man » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:40 am

Yea that would make sense, thanks.

I know business was down in the US at the time but when the WWF got really big in the UK did it boost business at all?. I think the run here lasted something like 1990-1993. They had a show air live on Sky One in 1989 but I think its peak year was 1992 with Summerslam.

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Re: Wrestling questions thread

Postby Bandit » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:49 am

They didn't make the same amount of money overseas because the TV deals weren't worth as much and the PPV was different. But with house shows they made money, which is why they were in Europe constantly in 1995.

And like you were saying WCW was on network television in 1993 in the UK, but WCW was still in debt. Whereas if they had a US network TV deal they'd be set financially.

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Re: Wrestling questions thread

Postby Big Boss Man » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:40 pm

Thanks. Yea WCW, to my knowledge, started on ITV from around 1990 time. They moved it to Saturday afternoons in 1992 then put it back in the early morning "Night time" schedule. Last time they showed it I believe was 1994 (Disney tapings). Which ironically was when Hogan came in. ITV showed Rock & Wrestling in like 91 or 92 if I'm correct. WWF only very briefly was on World of Sport (ITV) a few times. That was around 86 or 87 (I think). B-Sky-B started up in the late 80s and WWF was on there then. I think on one ad they mention WrestleMania V so 1989 must have been when it started on there. I have read its earlier than that & its 1985

I began watching WWF as it was then just before WrestleMania (the first one didn't have a number) on Sky TV through our new cable TV system. I was also able to watch NWA (I think it was JCP) on a channel called Screen Sports through the same platform. It was so different to the British wrestling that was shown on World of Sport, Saturday lunchtimes, which despite occasionally showing quality workers such as Dave 'Fit' Finlay or Mark 'Rollerball' Rocco was usually headlined by the likes of Big Daddy one of the worst wrestlers of all time.

My friends and I would gather round the TV cheering our favourites and booing the wrestlers we didn't like. Wrestlers such as Ric Flair and Roddy Piper got as many cheers as the likes oh Hulk Hogan and Dusty Rhodes from us.

One of the biggest highlights for me was when Sky broadcast WrestleMania 3 live, which was the first time they had broadcast wrestling live rather than a couple of weeks after the event was shown in the States.


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