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Re: Dirt Sheet Lulz & Knowledge Droppings

Postby Big Boss Man » Sun May 20, 2018 4:34 pm

Surely they should have adjusted projections due to their business being down. 1998 was a big year for them so they should have put some in reserve for when things hit the fan. When buy rates were down they should have axed Russo immediately and tried to repair the damage. It's common sense really if business is down you look at why and change it around. When WWF overtook them it makes no logical sense to think PPV buys, ticket sales etc are going to hit the 1998 highs again. A portion of that audience went to the WWF instead. ECWs product was better which explains why their PPV buys were up. From The 2000 WCW PPVs only thing I recall is that work shoot than turned into a shoot with Russo and Hogan.

I mean they were doing internet angles were most mainstream fans could careless about backstage politics. Your goal is to appeal to as many as fans as possible. Doing the wacky things they did just alienated them. They lost a portion of the family audience trying to be the Attitude Era where ECW and WWF did it so much better. They should have made WCW the wrestling show, focusing on the crusierweights making it action packed etc. Were they getting ad revenue etc from Thunder, what was the ticket sales merchandise revenues from the shows if they were bad I'd have dropped it to save money.

WCW lost Benoit, Eddie, Dean Malenko, Jericho, Saturn etc so that was guys you could have pushed to the top. They still had Booker, Rey et al but I think losing the Radicalz was a big loss. I'd have tried to get RVD from ECW but even then he'd have a glass ceiling above him because of Hogan et al. Really you needed to put out to pasture Hulk, Lex, Nash et al. Goldberg was up in age but their #1 guy, Sting and Ric I'd have kept around for the special events. Why they'd stay around is that they are synomous with WCW. Maybe slowly transition them into ambassador type roles. There seems to be a ton of midcard and lower card guys but no real stars. WCW sorta had a Austin with Goldberg, but no Rock for him to feud with or a McMahon type authority to be up against. Goldie vs nWo was sort of done already with him beating Hogan for the belt. Maybe a new Horsemen lead by Flair he could have feuded with. But there was no real new Arn, Tully etc who could have filled in their roles. Had Arn being younger etc and Naitch etc that could have been really good. Since all the og Horsemen could cut promos and as a faction they were believable.

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Re: Dirt Sheet Lulz & Knowledge Droppings

Postby Bandit » Sun May 20, 2018 8:49 pm

I'm not saying they were run correctly at all. But people always says "then why didn't they just fire Kevin Nash, Hogan and Sting and rebuilt around cheaper wrestlers" and that wasn't the solution. Plus you'd probably be giving them to WWF to bring in and make dream matches that would make your ratings even worse. Because if they did the Hogan-Rock angle in 2000, who is going to stick around to watch Kidman and Shane Douglas in a world title feud.

They didn't save the 1998 money because they were still in what they considered their growing period where a company stays in debt to keep growing the company. And it's not as simple as "just stop spending immediately" when they already paid for things in advance and were losing money on shows because they pre-booked those large arenas that by 2000 they couldn't fill so they'd have to give tickets away for free.

They did try to get Van Dam but he wasn't able to get out of his ECW deal until a month before they closed. If Bischoff bought WCW he planned to have a lot of ECW guys with RVD as a main eventer and Joey Styles and Cyrus on commentary. Of top talent he only planned to keep Goldberg, Sting, Steiner, Booker, DDP and Nash. Everyone else would be either the cheaper WCW guys like Lance Storm and Ernest Miller or ECW, Matrats, Omega, or Toryumon wrestlers. He was planning to be very Cruiserweight heavy on the new Nitro. And Teddy Hart was going to be the top new Cruiserweight and Ultimo Dragon the booker of the division.

As for why they didn't get rid of Russo sooner, they really did. He wasn't there for 2 years. He worked for 3 months of 1999 (October-January 2000) and 5 months of 2000 (April-September.) So they ushered him out pretty fast. He couldn't couldn't be cut from his deal because it was guaranteed. But they pulled him from working reasonably fast to where he was paid to sit at home most of his deal. That's nowhere near as bad as TNA keeping him for 8 years.

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Re: Dirt Sheet Lulz & Knowledge Droppings

Postby Big Boss Man » Mon May 21, 2018 5:16 am

Yea I was thinking if you cut Hogan et all they'd end up in the WWF. So realistically they were set up to fail and had no real way out. If money was committed already ie arenas booked etc then there's not much they could have changed. I still can't fathom how they fell flat on their face after 1998. What could have they done differently then to change things and prevented the decline. I guess the WWF being white hot meant they couldn't really do much to counter them.

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Re: Dirt Sheet Lulz & Knowledge Droppings

Postby Bandit » Mon May 21, 2018 5:20 am

They fell flat on their face because Bischoff let the inmates run the asylum. Whereas even with the power of the Kliq in 1995-96, Vince was still in control of his company. And hewas certainly in control during the Attitude Era.

I forget for sure who said it (I think Kevin Sullivan) but "the difference between Bischoff and McMahon was McMahon was playing the game with his own money and Bischoff was using House Money he never thought was going to end."

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Re: Dirt Sheet Lulz & Knowledge Droppings

Postby Big Boss Man » Mon May 21, 2018 5:43 am

Yea I heard that before too. He was throwing money around with no rhyme or reason. Signing people and paying them to sit at home??. WCW in its heyday could have made tons with crossover merch deals, getting ad sales from the companies who dropped ads from the WWF, they were family friendly so could appeal to that audience. Did bringing in Dennis Rodman, Karl Malone and Leno actually make a profit on what they paid to hire them?. The Kiss, Megadeth, Master P & No.Limit was just ?? too. If your a concert promoter yes but for wrestling should have got some upcoming bands who'd probably do promo for free. So a lot of what Bischoff did was 100% preventable. But like you say he was playing with someone else's money.

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Postby Bandit » Mon May 21, 2018 6:26 am

Rodman and Malone were very successful, Leno was a disappointment to them. But Leno was fortunately cheaper since he just asked they donate some money to St. Jude's children's hospital since he just did it as a goof for his show. IIRC Rodman and Malone both got 1.5 million each plus PPV royalties (I think Dennis said he made $5 million total for his match with Hogan against Luger and Giant, and I think the Malone one was bigger.)

And it was worth it. The first Rodman match was the second biggest story in the US behind only Mike Tyson's ear bite since that was only 2 weeks later.

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Re: Dirt Sheet Lulz & Knowledge Droppings

Postby Big Boss Man » Tue May 22, 2018 5:28 am

Thanks. Cool that Jay gave the money to charity. At least the Rodman & Malone gamble paid off. The Jazz/Bulls being in the NBA finals two years in a row helped matters a lot too I'm assuming.

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June 2000 was the month my friends and I all gave up on WCW.

6/4/00

-On the 5/31 Thunder show, there is an interview with Bischoff and Tony Schiavone where Bischoff claims the big deal that will change the landscape of the wrestling industry was finalized earlier in the day. He said that the deal would be announced at the Great American Bash on 6/9 and brought up strongly that there is nothing Vince McMahon could do about it. WCW, recognizing that even putting Hogan and Flair's careers on the line, they are doing so poorly on PPV, that they are building this announcement up as the prime draw on the show. The "surprise" could be an SFX announcement, which would mean little to the general public, or be something as mundane as a Goldberg heel turn, as Goldberg was asked over the last week to go heel but it didn't appear to be something he was thrilled about and it's also something that on the surface seems like a terrible move at this time (it could be a great move at another time), similar to the botched heel turn they attempted last year for Sting. Politically, if you are wondering why, it leaves Hogan free and clear for the No. 1 face position and Nash at No. 2 without Goldberg potentially passing both of them by. It also leaves both of them with singles matches with Goldberg where, as faces, they would be able to look strong against him rather than eating him up. WCW has sent feelers to ECW about working together, something Bischoff discussed with Paul Heyman during the Mike Awesome legal battle of turning it into an angle, something a stagnant ECW may be more likely to consider although Heyman said he has no interest in being a part of a WCW angle.

-Tammy Sytch was taken off Nitro after an incident backstage before the show. There have been numerous reports of her being fired, which definitely wasn't the case as of press time. Before the show, two of the other women working in the company found syringes in a rest room adjacent to the womens locker room along with a vial of nubain, a pain killing drug that has in recent years become popular with some wrestlers and was a major problem in the ECW dressing room several months back, in the bathroom and apparently it was linked it to her. She was described as being in very bad shape backstage before the show and it was said that before the show she was in the same said bathroom for an eternity.

-They are doing a gimmick where Disco Inferno tries to talk cool but keeps screwing up. MIA then came out. It wound up with Lt. Loco (Chavo Jr.) against Disco in a lumberjack match. The original plan was for Chavo to wrestle Misterio Jr. because somehow nobody in WCW has figured out that Misterio Jr.'s knee is more than a month away from being ready. Everyone interfered. Misterio Jr. set up a bronco buster but Major Guns came out and, I'm not making this up, Rey started to undo his belt, like the two of them were going to have some form of sex right there on TV. She kicked him low. Loco won with a tornado DDT in 2:48. Nitro Girl Tigress came out and attacked Gunns. Apparently Tigress is now Rey's girlfriend

-Donnie Osmond and Karl Malone were in the crowd.

-Goldberg challenged Abbott to a match on 6/5 in Atlanta at the Phillips Arena. In a sense, it makes no sense to give away Goldberg's first match on free TV as opposed to the PPV, but in the grand scheme of things, since nobody buys the PPV's, it has now come to the point where it's almost a waste to put the big matches on PPV.

-Jarrett beat Flair to regain the title in 7:55. It was actually amazing just how good this match was. David was ref. It wasn't like there were any great moves, but Ric knew exactly how and when to make comebacks and the crowd was going nuts. Ric hit David to knock him out. Charles Robinson came out as a second ref but he got bumped. Finish saw David give Jarrett the guitar and he got the pin with Russo counting the fall. Fans pelted the ring with garbage. Make no mistake about it. The people somehow cared about the belt when Flair had it, which guaranteed they had to take it off him.

-Elix Skipper had his name changed to Mr. Skipover.

-Funk put Candido in the back of a truck and drove him to a veterinary clinic near the arena. They started fighting in the stable. Funk ended up bleeding. They wound up in the stalls and there was at least one spot where Funk had his face rubbed in manure and may have been a piledriver into the horse manure. During this segment in an unplanned spot, a horse kicked Funk in the face, which was said to have looked dangerous as hell, but he seemed fine afterwards.

-They did a two-part segment where Smiley & Ralphus, who are back fired, broke and homeless, were walking the streets looking for work and heard about kids doing backyard wrestling. As the second part of the segment ended, Smiley told the kids not to do backyard wrestling but instead learn amateur wrestling. Smiley showed the kids some amateur moves and eventually pinned the kid who was the backyard champion and thus got his belt. So you got it. Smiley will be returning with a new title of World backyard champion or something of that sort.

-Russo, David Flair, Daffney and a woman playing the role of Reid Fliehr's sixth grade teacher Miss Snodgrass. She said that Reid was teaching the other kids to make fart noises with their armpits and sticking mirrors on classmates shoes so he could look up the girls skirts. That had to be Ric Flair's son. David challenged Reid to a match at the Bash.

-The Kronik 4:19 t-shirts are because they aren't allowed to do 4:20 t-shirts (because it's a pot smoking reference), although the shirt says "got a minute" on it as well.

6/12/00

-On the TV ads for the Great American Bash, instead of saying the surprise is something that will change the face of wrestling, instead they are billing the surprise as something that will change the career of Nash. It gives more credence that it's simply Goldberg turning heel on Nash and costing him the title and joining the New Blood, or worse, Hall returning and turning on Nash.

-Russo challenged Atlanta Braves pitcher John Rocker, who is embroiled in a racism scandal, to a fight at the Atlanta Nitro.

-Russo beat Ric Flair in the cage match in 9:30. Ric Flair is the greatest wrestler who ever lived and this match was living proof as this 51-year-old man actually carried Russo and David to what, after some terrible stuff early, to a good match. They pulled Russo's shirt off which wasn't a pretty sight and Flair chopped him raw. David came in from under the ring and Ric chopped him up as well. Russo got a ladder and climbed out of a trick ceiling and Flair climbed up with him. They fought on top of the cage. People actually expected Russo to take a Foley bump off. They ended up back in. Flair put him in the figure four for what seemed like an eternity. Russo, being the toughest man with 11 inch arms that ever lived, withstood the move longer than just about every babyface in the history of Jim Crockett Promotions without even passing out from pain, before the "blood" dropped from the sky. For some reason that I can't figure out, the blood immobilizes everyone except the heels, which it doesn't effect. It appeared the blood was supposed to drop much sooner, thereby not making the figure four spot so ludicrous, and that David was supposed to pull Russo out of the path of the blood, so only Ric would have to sell it. Neither happened. David put the figure four on Ric and Russo covered him for the pin.

-If that wasn't silly enough, Nash beat Disco, Candido, Johnny the Bull, Vito and Misterio Jr. all in about five seconds. These guys were pinned so quickly that they took one move and laid there and Nash didn't even cover them some of the time. Finally Awesome, Palumbo, Konnan, Douglas, Vampiro and a few others all attacked Nash. The idea was to get heat on Nash for Goldberg to make the save, but Nash didn't bother selling for six guys and Goldberg's run in seemed almost unnecessary as the two of them cleaned house as the show went off the air.

-During the Jarrett vs. Douglas match, there was a sign that said, "They get Kid Rock and we get Chad Brock. Hee Haw."

6/19/00

-The big surprise at the 6/11 Great American Bash turned out to be the heel turn of Bill Goldberg, which might have been effective had it not been so overly built up as something that would change the landscape of sports entertainment forever, that it was considered a huge let down. The show itself was a series of matches with a numbing level of run-ins, an undercard with little crowd reactions, three stunt man spots--which guaranteed none would stand out although one using a real life stunt double would have under most circumstances, repeated finishes and predictable swerves.

-They infrequently called Disco Inferno Hip Hop Inferno.

-Mike Awesome beat Diamond Dallas Page in 9:41 of an ambulance match. Talk about an overdone gimmick. Pamela Paulshock, who did a pre-match interview, couldn't even pronounce the word ambulance. They brought Kanyon to the ringside area wearing his halo, which gave away the finish. Both guys KO'd the first ref right away. They worked hard but there were more mistimed spots than usual. Awesome power bombed Page through a table. Page rolled off the gurney to continue the match. Awesome delivered two chair shots, the second of which was very weak to the point the crowd groaned. He did two frog splashes, but missed a third. Kimberly came out and hit Page with a pipe. Miss Hancock came out and dragged Kimberly away. Page delivered a diamond cutter off the ropes to lay out Awesome. At this point Bischoff appeared on the stage and appeared to be ready to hit Kanyon with a chair. Page went to the ramp to save Kanyon, who got up out of his wheelchair and gave Page a diamond cutter off the ramp to a gimmicked part of the floor and Page was put in the ambulance, making it three PPV shows in a row where Page's best friend or wife has turned on him. *

-Scott Steiner won the asylum match over Rick Steiner and Tank Abbott in 3:46. This was awful. It was switched to a handicap match on the spot. Scott was throwing Abbott around when Rick came in. The cage then lowered. They doubled on Scott until Abbott pulled out a chain. Rick got in the way and took the chain to protect his brother. Scott then got the chain, used it for the second straight foreign object finish, and used the recliner for the submission. Don't worry, later in the show during the last match run-in, Rick and Abbott were together and Rick was still a heel. DUD

-Hulk Hogan pinned Billy Kidman to earn a title shot at the next PPV in 11:39. Hogan came out doing his Hollywood persona and did probably his most lame interview since those horrible strap match promos. It was typical Hogan-Kidman, with Hogan taking the entire match, and then beating him in the end. Hogan whipped him with a belt hard. Kidman came back dropkicking a chair into Hogan's face and using a few chair shots. Kidman did a terrible looking DDT. Hogan was looking really slow. Kidman did a splash off the top rope for a near fall, and then got mad at Horace for his count. Hogan looked terrible in doing his big comeback. He hip tossed Kidman through a table. Torrie Wilson came out. Hogan and Wilson collided and Wilson took a bump doing the injured ankle spot. The Brass Knux that Wilson was apparently going to give Hogan, ended in Kidman's hands and he KO'd Hogan. But wait, Hogan kicked out. Wilson gave Kidman a low blow. He wasn't wearing a cup this time. Hogan then hit Kidman with Knux for the pin. Even though the match was lousy, Hogan was the first guy on the card to get a really big crowd reaction. *1/4

-Vampiro beat Sting in an Inferno match in 7:23. Sting opened the match saying that the torch would be at the top of the giant screen and they played up that Vampiro was afraid of heights. The match started in the ring with Vampiro pouring liquid all over Sting, which they pretended was gasoline. They ended up climbing the ladder to the top. Sting took one stunt man bump about ten feet into padding. He then got right up, negating the very idea of doing the bump, and climbed back up the ladder. Match had no heat at all. They finally got to the top of the screen, and did some thunder and lightning sound effects and finally the lights went out, allowing them to switch to a stunt double. Apparently some could see the stunt double put on the Sting mask and some fans in the building were able to see the switch. The stunt man was then set on fire, and jumped off the top, which looked to be every bit of 30 feet into a heavily padded stage. They then doused him like crazy with the fire extinguisher. It wasn't so much because he was on fire, but because in the landing, his wig came off and if the smoke cleared people would be able to see it wasn't Sting. The announcers then tried to sell it like it was the Owen Hart death, and anyone who thinks that wasn't the catalyst for this idea is fooling themselves. For that reason, among many, this was horrible on so many levels I don't even want to get started on it. -**

-Scott Hudson did the entire Nitro broadcast with his shirt off. Russo over the weekend, after hearing the remarks made last week on Nitro about his physique by the announcers, wanted all three announcers to do the entire broadcast without shirts, as ordered by Russo, because he thought it would get him over as a heel. Madden, smartly, didn't want to, because quite frankly all three shirtless would have totally ruined the broadcast. Hudson looked average enough that while it was silly, it wasn't like it was anything that is going to haunt his credibility or make him seem like a fool later.

-Goldberg came out to a tepid reaction but the fans got on him as he told his story about signing a deal with the devil because of all the guys backstabbing him while he was gone looking for his spot. Nash came out and tried to claim it wasn't Goldberg who made Goldberg, but guys like he, Hall and Hogan. Somehow as I remember it, it was he, Hall and Hogan as the guys who took Goldberg down from when he was the hottest act in the business and made him just another main eventer. Security attacked Nash and handcuffed him. Russo said that Goldberg vs. Nash would draw ratings so told the cops to hold Nash until the match later in the show.

-Vampiro talked with a mystery man. The mystery man will turn out to be Christopher Daniels. At this point he doesn't have a name. They wanted to name him "The Lord," or God, but standards and practices nixed that. They also nixed the angle where they wanted Vampiro to set the dressing room on fire and Asya would be in there and get burned. The angle would reveal Dale Torborg as Asya's fiance, looking for revenge, and expose Torborg as The Demon to set up their feud. Poor guy goes from feuding with Sting to feuding with Demon.

-They hired a child actor to play Nash's nephew "Hunter." I wonder where they got that name? With Nash locked up, he told Scott Steiner to watch him. If I had an eight year old, somehow I don't think I'd have Scott Steiner watching him. Just as I suspected as the show went on, Scott blew off babysitting to pump up, and left the kid to be watched by one of the women. The funniest thing all week was listening to Steven Regal talk about having watched this segment of the show and leaving an eight-year-old "with a half naked tart."

-Oh, God, Paisley & Artist were back with a press conference announcing his name is now only The Artist instead of TAF KAPI. The old man, who was formerly Hugh Morrus' insane father, but is now Captain Rection's horny grandfather, was under the desk and apparently looking up Paisley's dress during the press conference and eating a pie.

-Kimberly & Kanyon came out. Kanyon's gimmick will be to come out to Page's music with Page's wife and use the diamond cutter as the finisher. It would be a great idea if it wasn't for the fact they just did that angle with Abbott and Goldberg. Coming out with the taped ribs was a nice touch.

-There was a woman in the crowd who had "Nash" tattooed on her belly.

-Nash did some lies from the movie "Deliverance."

-Kidman beat Private Stash, who I guess got his ranking dropped from a Major because of so many bad matches in a row.

6/26/00

-Regarding the Funk vs. Candido match in the horse stall, they gave the horse a horse tranquilizer (I believe PCP) and had his harnessed. However, in all the commotion, the horse panicked and threw the kick at Funk. If he hadn't been harnessed, or for that matter, if the kick had hit Funk in the head instead of the upper arm, it could have been disastrous.

-The show opened with the compelling scene of Horace in the ring sitting in a chair demanding a match with Goldberg. He said he was standing up for family pride because Hulk was injured. Didn't Horace and Hulk over the past few years turn on each other something like a million times, including just a few weeks back?

-G.I. Bro told the Misfits they would have to go on without him with Captain Rection as their leader. Actually he didn't even want to say Captain Rection. He then at this point attacked Kanyon and they had a hot brawl with him taking off his military clothes and I guess becoming Booker T again. Well, it was best to cut losses because that gimmick had career killer written all over it.

-David Flair begged for Daffney to take him back. Finally she agreed. He then told her to meet him in the hotel room. He then started making out with Miss Hancock. Daffney was watching on the monitor. I think everyone in the wrestling business should realize Big Brother is watching every move. Wasn't David Flair this completely insane deranged psycho son of Vince Russo with a crowbar or a statue seven days ago? Now he's a smooth talking ladies man acting like he's the son of Ric Flair.

-Scott Hall's voice was also supposed to be on the show in the Nash phone call. However, when it came time to do the skit and they called Hall's home, he wasn't there so they had to do the angle where they just pretended Hall was there.

-WCW merchandise continues to sell poorly. The Goldberg turn resulted in zero increase in sales of New Blood merchandise which was a hoped for byproduct, although for that to happen, Goldberg would have to be wearing the shirt at all opportunities, something that has yet to happen. Goldberg merchandise was by far the company's best seller, with nobody a close second, and there was some question regarding the turn because the end result would be expected to be disastrous for the merchandising department

-On 6/15 (Thursday) in the international version of USA Today there was a full page ad with a photo of Goldberg, which read, "He's back--Monday Nitro--Watch it Tonight on TNT." That's a nice waste of $50,000.

-One of the reasons things will always have a nearly impossible time building for the future is that when Brad Siegel replaced Bill Busch with Bischoff and Russo, he said the company wasn't willing to wait for results while they rebuilt, but wanted results immediately, which is also why nerves are frayed because it was going to be very difficult to pull that off

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Re: Dirt Sheet Lulz & Knowledge Droppings

Postby Big Boss Man » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:00 pm

I stuck around til the end but I have no real recollection of anything apart from Double J smacking people over the head with his guitar calling them "Slapnuts". I much preferred the late 80s, early 90s WCW and the 96-97 period. I can't remember if early 2001 was any better, that was Millionaires Club vs New Blood IIRC.


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