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Post by Big Boss Man » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:21 am

Watched the 1990 and 1991 Royal Rumble recently and on the 90 one they had Ted DiBiase last from #1 to like #24 and on 91 Rick Martel last over 46 minutes but I don't recall in the modern day them referencing this when they break down stats and such. They did a thing where #18 (Macho) didn't turn up. Pipes on commentary, considering what a strong promo he was, was at times a chore to get through. Gorilla put him back on course a few times as he was going off tagent. When he was calling the action he was alright though.

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Post by Bandit » Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:00 am

Roddy was good as a heel color commentator with Gordon Solie, but babyface color commentators usually aren't that great. He got thrown on Superstars at the last minute when Ventura quit in 1990 and stayed until the angle where Flair taunted him to comeback at the end of 1991. Savage replaced him and he wasn't good either. Then Mr. Perfect came on and was much better because he was a heel.

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Re: The Classic Wrestling Thread

Post by Ocelot » Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:54 am

Did they ever say why Macho didn't come out for that 1991 rumble?

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Post by Bandit » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:03 am

Yes, they said he fled the building after Warrior was chasing him after the Sgt. Slaughter match.

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Post by Big Boss Man » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:16 am

Yea I think they mentioned it during the Rumble. With babyface commentators I thought Stan Lane was good. Superstar was ok too. But heel announcers definitely work better. Jesse/Gorilla and Bobby/Gorilla still to me are the best teams. Tony/Jesse worked together well too. Did Vince feed them lines back then too?. I can't imagine Bobby or Jesse parroting what Vince was telling them to say.

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Post by Bandit » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:40 am

I think back then Vince was just giving talking points ie "Don't forget to mention Bret Hart will wrestle Mr. Perfect in 3 weeks at Summerslam" or something. He wasn't micromanaging Gorilla or Jesse or Heenan. Although I think he was tough on Tony Schiavone because he didn't think he was good enough.

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Post by Ocelot » Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:18 am

Gorilla and Jesse wouldn't have put up with it and Bobby would have just ignored him and said whatever anyway.

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Post by Bandit » Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:33 am

Yeah, Gorilla never treated Vince like he was king of the business because he knew him when he wasn't shit and going in debt to buy his dad's company and borrowing money from Inoki.

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Post by Big Boss Man » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:40 am

Watched the 1993 Rumble and you could tell the downturn was starting to begin. The Rumble itself was kinda an afterthought. Bob Backlund actually outlasted :flair: and it would have made sense if he won it and had the match with Bret. Seemed a waste of time to build Yoko, have him beat Hitman and Hogan to win it almost immediately.

Then Hogan leaves after King of the Ring so they played hot potato with the belt where a few years back it took a year to change hands. I think having Bob win the Rumble, he loses to Bret and because he can't reclaim the belt he goes into being Mr Backlund. Then Owen aligns with him to get revenge over Bret and then Mr Backlund becomes champ again.

Instead of him dropping it to Diesel, I'd have him lose to Owen so you build up Bret v Owen again. Then by WrestleMania XI you could do Hitman/HBK with Owen still in the mix. In hindsight it makes more sense to elevate HBK, Owen etc over the bigger guys.

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Post by Bandit » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:18 am

Backlund wasn't over enough in 1993 to have been champion again. Most of their audience started watching after he left in 1984. Vince wanted to do a George Foreman angle with him having a comeback at 44, but it didn't work. It would have worked with Bruno, but Bob wasn't as fondly remembered as Sammartino.

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Post by Bandit » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:56 pm

Wrestling Challenge will finally start being added to the Network today starting in about 3 hours from right now.
Wrestling Challenge 09/06/1986 [Duration: 00:46:12]
In the series premiere of Wrestling Challenge, Harley Race is crowned King of WWE. The British Bulldogs face The Moondogs. The U.S. Express take on Iron Mike Sharpe & The Magnificent Muraco. Adrian Adonis, Koko B. Ware and “Mr. Wonderful” Paul Orndorff compete. Kamala dares to enter Jake “The Snake” Roberts’ Snake Pit.

Wrestling Challenge 09/13/1986 [Duration: 00:45:59]
Tito Santana, Corporal Kirchner & Salvatore Bellomo face Hercules Hernandez, The Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff. The Junkyard Dog & George “The Animal” Steele face Jimmy Jack & Hoss Funk. Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat and Kamala compete in the ring. Jake “The Snake” Roberts welcomes Hillbilly Jim into “The Snake Pit.”

Wrestling Challenge 09/20/1986 [Duration: 00:47:12]
Intercontinental Champion “Macho Man” Randy Savage faces Tony Garea. The Hart Foundation battle The Islanders. The Killer Bees take on Jack Foley & Terry Gibbs. “Mr. Wonderful” Paul Orndorff has a warning for WWE Champion Hulk Hogan on Jake “The Snake” Roberts’ “Snake Pit.”

Wrestling Challenge 09/27/1986 [Duration: 00:43:38]
The British Bulldogs face The Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff. Slick introduces the WWE Universe to “The Natural” Butch Reed. Jake “The Snake” Roberts welcomes The Hart Foundation to “The Snake Pit.” “Mr. Wonderful” Paul Orndorff, Honky Tonk Man, Koko B. Ware and Sika in action.

Wrestling Challenge 10/04/1986 [Duration: 00:46:41]
“Rowdy” Roddy Piper and Adrian Adonis escalate their war of words over their talk shows. The Dream Team, The Rougeau Brothers, Dick Slater and Junkyard Dog in action. “The Natural” Butch Reed addresses the WWE Universe for the first time.

Wrestling Challenge 10/11/1986 [Duration: 00:42:11]
WWE Champion Hulk Hogan visits “The Snake Pit.” Intercontinental Champion “Macho Man” Randy Savage takes on Billy Jack Haynes. Moondog Spot battles Islander Tama. The Killer Bees and Hart Foundation in action. “Cowboy” Bob Orton and Don Muraco react to their attack on “Rowdy” Roddy Piper.

Wrestling Challenge 10/18/1986 [Duration: 00:46:10]
“Mr. Wonderful” Paul Orndorff pampers himself with a makeover before competing in the ring. The British Bulldogs, Koko B. Ware and The Dream Team are in action. Junkyard Dog visits “The Snake Pit.”

Wrestling Challenge 10/25/1986 [Duration: 00:44:48]
The Honky Tonk Man joins Jake Roberts on “The Snake Pit.” “Cowboy” Bob Orton teams up with Magnificent Muraco. The Killer Bees take on Moondog Spot & Jimmy Jack Funk. Butch Reed, Hillbilly Jim and Kamala are in action.

Wrestling Challenge 11/01/1986 [Duration: 00:46:05]
Randy Savage defends the Intercontinental Championship against Billy Jack Haynes. Hulk Hogan calls out Paul Orndorff. Ricky Steamboat battles Moondog Rex. The British Bulldogs introduce Matilda to the WWE Universe. The Hart Foundation, The Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkoff are in action. George “The Animal” Steele attempts to order fast food.

Wrestling Challenge 11/08/1986 [Duration: 00:43:42]
An injured “Rowdy” Roddy Piper looks to exact payback on Mr. Fuji. Junkyard Dog teams up with George “The Animal” Steele. Honky Tonk Man asks the WWE Universe for a vote of confidence. Bobby Heenan purchases Hercules Hernandez’s contract from Slick. Butch Reed, The Islanders and Hillbilly Jim step inside the squared circle.

Wrestling Challenge 11/15/1986 [Duration: 00:46:11]
Captain Lou Albano has his final match in WWE as he teams with The British Bulldogs to take on Johnny V and The Dream Team. “Macho Man” Randy Savage goes one-on-one with Koko B. Ware. “Cowboy” Bob Orton and Magnificent Muraco celebrate Roddy Piper’s suffering. Nikolai Volkoff, The Iron Sheik and Harley race compete.

Wrestling Challenge 11/22/1986 [Duration: 00:44:50]
WWE Champion Hulk Hogan brings the power of Hulkamania to Jake Roberts’ “Snake Pit.” The Hart Foundation battles The Moondogs. “Cowboy” Bob Orton & Magnificent Muraco collide with The Killer Bees. Butch Reed shows off what makes him a Natural. Sika looks to reign supreme. WWE Tag Team Champions The British Bulldogs analyze the tag team division.

Wrestling Challenge 11/29/1986 [Duration: 00:46:10]
Ricky Steamboat’s injury at the hands of Randy Savage is examined. The results of Honky Tonk Man’s vote of confidence are in. Junkyard Dog teams with George “The Animal” Steele. Dino Bravo & The Dream Team battle Sivi Afi & The Islanders in six-man action. “Superstar” Billy Graham delivers a message from his desert retreat.
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Post by Dr. Zoidberg » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:33 am

Nice. And about time.

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Post by Bandit » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:25 am

It is on now. Ernie Ladd on color commentary. Alfred Hayes ring announcing.

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Post by Bandit » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:28 am

World's longest small package finish in the first match.

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Post by Bandit » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:30 am

Macho cutting a promo on the fans for liking Elizabeth too much.

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Post by Bandit » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:31 am

Tommy Sharp is representing all of the Uncles of the world.

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Post by Bandit » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:33 am

"Faggot" chant for Adrian Adonis not censored.

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Re: The Classic Wrestling Thread

Post by Bandit » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:39 am

Bob Orton is a better promo than his son.

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